Saturday, March 08, 2008

Complementarianism Sucks : Telling Women to Stay Quiet in the name of Jesus

Today is International Woman's Day Synchroblog. Here's my two cents worth about the insidious nature of a biblical perspective called complementarianism. And, I've done the legwork for you and collected some quotes and rants from some other women syncro bloggers today.

This is why complementarianism sucks:



Complementarianism
is a term to describe a theological view held by some Christians that differing, non-overlapping roles between men and women , manifested in marriage, church and leadership , and elsewhere, is biblically required.
The term Complementarian was coined in recent years and largely replaces today what previously was known as the Traditionalist or Hierarchical view of gender relationships. (Wikipedia)

I like this definition from blogger, Mad Reverend:

Complementarianism is a complicated series of intellectual gymnastics justifying the assignment of authority to men on the grounds that authority is but one among many roles played by human beings

Grace tells why it matters what the beliefs and practices of Christian communities are:

It matters that we not limit the complete work of redemption. The elimination of division of every kind is a part of God’s reconciliation and restoration.

It matters that we understand the nature of mutual love and all of the mutuality that entails. Hierarchy will never allow us to realize the fullness of mutual submission, mutual sacrifice, mutual giving, and mutual honor.

It matters that we give place for the full expression of every person’s unique gifts within the body of Christ. Power structures limit the potential of so many people, but particularly women.

Makeesha, that fireball of a voice in the blogosphere who refuses to soften her stance against complementarianism recently sounded off:

We as Christians should be the loudest voice for justice and mercy, we should be the loudest voice in ensuring that women around the world give their voices wings, we cannot do this when our churches are run by elder boards that are 100% male, when the person “up front” is always male and when 99% of what goes on in the church is ultimate determined by those “lucky” enough to be born with reproductive organs on the outside. In the best case scenario, those men will at least pay attention to the women in their congregations, the Sunday School teachers, the wives of the leaders, the singers, etc. But more often than not, churches are crippled by losing the input, leadership and gifts of half of their population.
Julie Clawson blogs why she cannot be a member of a complementarian church:

If a church sees women as inferior and denies them their voice, I honestly could not join as a member of that community. I could not worship week after week alongside those that denied my full humanity.
My new friend and blogger, Kathy Escobar smoked up the keyboard with this challenging confrontation for those who favor complementarianism:

Charles degaulle said silence is the ultimate weapon of power.” i believe that men and women have been silent on this issue for far too long. allowing ourselves to give time, money, heart to a system that does not value a woman’s voice means we are unknowingly supporting oppression. i believe it is time for men to begin to say “hey, this isn’t right. i am not going to stand by and let my sisters/daughters/spouses/friends be silenced.” i believe it is time for people to start asking good questions about the lack of women’s voices in their communities beyond the typical support roles. i think it is important that we learn to vote with our feet. i am so distressed by the number of people willing to stay in systems that continually perpetuate boy-power because it looks and sounds cool, and they don’t realize the subtle theological message that is being sent.

So this is why complementarianism sucks. It's a fancy word that hides an ugly reality. Much like the rhetoric of the 19th century that used terms like "polygenesis" to defend human slavery. For real. Google it.

I know a woman who told her leadership when she was a teenager that she wanted to be a youth pastor. She was told, "You cannot. You're a girl."

I know a woman whose published bible study was pulled off of shelves when it was discovered that she was a (gasp!) pastor. For real. I'm not making this up.

I know about a woman who served faithfully in cross-cultural missions in a foreign land as the leader in charge until her missions board could finally find man willing to go over and lead. When asked if she thought this was unfair, her reply, "No. It doesn't matter."

I once listened to a woman explain to a room full of churched women why women ought not to pray publicly when men are present and should do all the praying instead.

I listened to a youth pastor explain at a parent's meeting to a distressed mother that no, she did not need to worry about him allowing women to usurp the authority of men in the youth ministry by allowing women staff, or female students, teach bible studies.

I know of a woman who was willing to go overseas and serve God in Asia but was told she could not because she was a young single woman. I know of another woman whose church nearly did not send her out because she was an older unmarried woman.

A churched woman once gave me a copy of a book that she said would help me in my marriage. The title: Wives Submit to Your Husbands.

The same woman from time to time refers to her husband as "sir." I'm not making this up!

This is why I say,

Complementarianism Sucks!!!

23 comments:

sonja said...

Pam ...

Complementarianism is the modern-day church equivalent of the back of the bus. I said those words to a church elder when he told me I could not teach Adult Sunday School classes because, "there is not enough space for a women's only class right now." He became extremely angry with me. But I did not back down.

Tracy Simmons said...

Pam, I want to really encourage you to not hold back and tell us what you REALLY think! ;-)

Keep saying it, woman, loud and strong!

kathyescobar said...

girl, you ROCK! awesome post. i was all fired up by the end!!!!! i agree, complementarianism sucks. jose and i were talking last night how thankful we are that over these years we met some people who started challenging in big and small ways some of our limited thinking & theology. without them, i honestly don't know where we'd be. this is why stirring the pot is so necessary, really, that even just one reader would go "hmmmm, i need to start thinking about this a little more..." makes it all worth it. i am so sad, so many women, so stuck. and the men, honestly, miss out too. it is such mixed up crazy theology that has permeated so many nooks and crannies in the very foundation of our culture. in the church of Jesus Christ, the one who came to set all the captives free, so much captivity. i am so thankful for the chains breaking & experiencing in greater and greater depths what it means to be free. yes, i recognize freedom scares the hell out of a lot of people. sometimes it scares me, too, but i'm learning to live with the fear instead of running from it all the time. love to everyone at the bridge from me!

seithman said...

Well said!

And I must say that I rather like The Mad Reverend's definition of complementarianism. It's so much more honest than so many others.

Laurette said...

Hey Pam! Excellent post!

It's not the 'why?' question that bothers me - I don't fiercely prefer women pastors over men (people are people) - but it's the 'and why exactly not?!' question. I'd like to have that explained to me some time. Actually, no, I don't. I'd probably have very little hair left by the end of it.

Aaron Riedl said...

"...In the best case scenario, those men will at least pay attention to the women in their congregations, the Sunday School teachers, the wives of the leaders, the singers, etc. But more often than not, churches are crippled by losing the input, leadership and gifts of half of their population."

Based on this quote, it looks like there are two types of Complementarian churches: 1) With male elders who listen to the women in the church, and 2) With male elders who don't listen to the women in the church.

I agree with you that churches in group #2 are "crippled by losing half the input, leadership and gifts of half their population." However, it sounds to me that group #1 is a good Biblical example. So, in my opinion, I believe that it isn't Complementarianism that sucks, but what sucks is when the elders of the church are sinful by not listening to the body of believers within their church (male or female).

Laurette said...

Complementarianism sucks as long as women feel robbed of a voice.

"allowing ourselves to give time, money, heart to a system that does not value a woman’s voice means we are unknowingly supporting oppression."

So yeah, if all male elders listen to everyone one could argue that women's voices were technically being heard, but how can the situation be truly equal (as in Gal. 3:28) if women are expressedly not allowed to be part of that body?

It's the same as arguing that a certain race (say, Greeks - or black people) aren't allowed to form part of this body, but that they're still equal because they're able to voice their concerns with the (Jewish - or white) elders. We've definitely moved past this kind of racism, so why should sexism be any different, if Galatians treats the two the same?

tamara said...

Thanks, Pam. Great post! Keep the people thinking.

I have to say, I struggled with the idea of a woman pastoring a church for awhile, not because I don't think women can lead others in whatever capacity God would have them lead, but because whenever I pictured a female pastor leading a church and 'calling all the shots,' as it were, something just didn't seem right. Then it hit me (I'm a little slow sometimes): the image didn't seem wrong because women shouldn't be pastors, but because the 'CEO' pastor model that has been given to us for so long is wrong! I think it's a role men more easily fit then women, but it's still wrong. And there should be more than just elders leading a church as well. If you're a gifted teacher, you should teach! If you're gifted at encouraging and shepherding people (like pastor types should be), then do that! If you missional minded, and look outward at the community, or have ideas and ways of reaching them, then lead in that area. Same goes for artists, builders, prophets, child-care givers, I'm drawing a blank but whatever other profession/gifting you can think of. We should all be contributing members of the church, building each other up, allowing ourselves to be fluid in our roles serving Christ. Women leading men; men leading women; everyone always growing and developing as human beings who love God.

If women can't serve in certain roles (those leading men, apparently), then why are there so many of examples of women doing just that in the bible? God doesn't contradict himself. I think it's time we stop limiting ourselves to narrowly defined stereotypes and start living the way we were meant to.

Kudos to Pam and every other man/woman whose willing to stand up for what's right! (Apparently I have strong feelings on this subject.)

Ken said...

I picked this up somewhere while blogging. I think it kind of sums up where complementarianism ultimately ends up. be warned, you may get pi**ed-off if you choose to watch it.

http://thirdwatch.wordpress.com/2008/02/27/bad-hermeneutics-3/#comment-275

myste said...

Brilliant Pam! Keep fighting the good fight!

Hannah said...

Awesome post, Pam! Props for all the "legwork." The combination of those quotes is powerful and challenging. We've got to get beyond "It just wouldn't FEEL right" for a woman to have a significant voice in a church. I agree with the woman who said that we should be the loudest voice for justice and mercy, and maybe that's what some men are afraid of, too much pressure to be tender instead of fighting a spiritual battle where there's a good side and a bad side.

I've got another to add to your list. I've seen entire families leave my home church because the pastor's wife was picking up the slack (or authority) for her husband who is becoming increasingly deaf. Apparently "helpmate" only applies when you're inside the walls of the parsonage.

Pam Hogeweide said...

wow. i am so wowed by how many first-time commenters have stopped by to chime in on this issue. i'd love to respond to each one of you but i have been offline for about two days, and again i won't be online very much today.

inequality anywhere is unjust. the kingdom of god is meant to be the place where inequality is unheard of, not theologically defended.

thanks everyone for your insights and sharing your experiences. i hope this forum has helped at least one complementarian rethink their theology concerning women and the God-given right for women to lead and live in our callings and vocations without religious hindrances.

Anonymous said...

I think it is very important to try to maintain a biblical perspective and not just get sucked in by our own thinking. One of the ways the devil works is by taking the bible and distorting a basic truth into something very destructive. Men and women ARE different. They do appear to have different roles. But it is no where near so black and white as some of these people make out. Lets just take at home moms for one thing. A lot of these people are very into home businesses. The "spirit of the law" is that mom is not pulling nine hour shifts and ignoring her kids. The letter of the law that these people get into it just gets so incredibly convoluted...its OK to sell Tupperware (which puts dad into a caretaking role at night) because its a "home business" but not OK to work outside the home part time when you have arranged your schedule to benefit your kids. It totally misses the point. You see women who one up their husband and wear the pants and its obviously wrong. At the same time, I have sen submission distorted into this bizarre thing that denies both parties the right to be honest and work through things in a mature adult manner. I am not going to assume though, that God doesn't require different things of men and women because some simple minded folks distill it down to a cartoon of what it really was intended to mean. I am not sure I have it all figured out yet...but I want to be sure my thinking is based on the BIBLE and not what my own distorted thinking can conclude is "right". At the same time you have Paul stating that women should not do certain things in church, you have examples that appear to contradict that. We need to carefully consider what is really taught rather than just dismiss some verses because the implication doesn't suit ut.

Gene said...

Tyranny of the mind is just that no matter which Bible verse is the justification. Quieting a voice anywhere based on a biological difference is the same as denying the right to work, the right to vote, the right to own property, etc, for the same reason.

I'm amazed when I read about this kind of thing in the 21st century. Perhaps if we we'd like to hang onto a 1st century Mediterranean view of women's roles, we should revert to an honor/shame moral code and a nobleman/priest/peasant/artisan economic system as well.

Pam, you have a wonderful space here. Keep up the good work!

Aaron Riedl said...

"Quieting a voice anywhere based on a biological difference is the same as denying the right to work, the right to vote, the right to own property, etc, for the same reason."

"Complementarianism Sucks: Telling Women to Stay Quiet in the name of Jesus"


Why are these issues being confused? Complementarians don't believe that women's voices should be quieted.

The belief is simply that men and women are different, but equal, and they have different roles in the church and in the home. That doesn't sound like oppression to me, as long as the women's voices are being heard and not quieted.

Gene said...

Right. Different roles. The man's role is to lead and the woman's role is to be led.

I'm not sure what all of the fuss is about. ;)

Chels said...

I agree with anonymous that we need to keep thing in perspective and in line with the Bible. I also agree with Aaron. I am a complementarian and those I minister with are as well, and yet my voice is heard. I am very comfortable with the fact that Men and women were created equal in God's sight BUT with different roles. Men were meant to lead and women to be a helper.

Anonymous said...

Hmmm, i read through the post and there wasn't ONE VERSE OF SCRIPTURE to back up your viewpoint. Ever read 1 Tim 3 or Titus 1? It's not that men or women are inferior to each other... i'm not offended that my wife can give birth, while I remain barren. I mean, come on, it's not about being sexist, it's about playing the role God wired you to play.

Anonymous said...

Did you ever think of referring to the Bible when you wrote this? When you are writing things that are as important as this, you should really refer to the Bible. God wrote everything we need to know in there. If you didn't look it up, maybe you are only voicing your opinion and not God's. Think about that!

FYI I'm an 8th grader, so WHAT NOW!

Anonymous said...

Did you ever think of referring to the Bible when you wrote this? When you are writing things that are as important as this, you should really refer to the Bible. God wrote everything we need to know in there. If you didn't look it up, maybe you are only voicing your opinion and not God's. Think about that!

FYI I'm an 8th grader, so WHAT NOW!

Pam Hogeweide said...

An 8th grader jumping into the discussion. How wonderful! I adore teenagers, having two of my own.

Anon, my young visitor, my blog is my digital living room, my home in cyberspace, with an open door to all who would want to stop by. I choose not to sling verses around most of my writing here, for inevitably it becomes a sword fight with people scripturizing one another to our shame.

There are many other writers who will provide the verses you seek....but in this blog space, which is a place for informal conversation rather than theological verse splitting, I keep my bible talk to a minimum. But please don't misunderstand this to mean that I do not respect the bible. I do. I have a long, steady relationship of study to it. It is powerful, a weapon for spiritual warfare, but I do not ever want to use it (again) as a weapon against my brother and sisters. Healthy debate is good. I do debate and use the bible to back up my position in many conversations. But not here. The blogosphere has proven so volatile to me when it comes to slinging verses around. We can't hear tone, people tend to cut and paste long passages and then become mean-spirited in hurling their perspective of those passages. I won't do it. Not here in my digital living room.

If you are truly interested in a bibical presentation of a view of women as equals in spiritual leadership than I urge you to check out the site for Christians and Biblical Equality....here's the link:

http://www.cbeinternational.org/new/index.shtml

all the best to you. I admire your spunk! Come back anytime....

Aaron Riedl said...

"The blogosphere has proven so volatile to me when it comes to slinging verses around. We can't hear tone, people tend to cut and paste long passages and then become mean-spirited in hurling their perspective of those passages."

It seems to me that people can be volatile with any words used online...not just Bible verses. So then why do you post anything online at all? Aren't you worried that conversations and debates (even those without Bible verses) can also become volatile?

Kathryn said...

Thank you for posting this. This insidious lie called "complementarianism" is indeed the theological equivalent of racism. Racism and gender injustice are always about power no matter what cloak they may wear, and I am a Bible-believing Christian. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ taught that Love is all the fulfilling of God's law, as did the Apostle Paul. The Word of God was written to a patriarchal world and at times had to outwardly accommodate it to be heard, but patriarchy itself is ultimately destroyed by the Word.