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Monday, March 28, 2011

Grace Found


I've been cleaning up my doc files this morning and stumbled across this forgotten draft written a couple of years ago. In light of the dust storm being kicked up from Rob Bell's Love Wins new book that challenges the theology of eternal damnation, I decided it was timely to find this forgotten writing and to polish it up and post it. There is some great dialog in this about the nature of God's grace. I hope it will provoke you to add your thoughts about it.




(2008)
Ok, one of my fave bloggers recently posted up about one of my fave topics: Grace. Here's an excerpt:
But for His grace we would not be Christians, right? However, I've discovered that many Christians are afraid of the real message of grace, especially those in MFI type churches. Why? Well they don't like the notion that we are all equal before God. Telling the prominent pastor who's spent 40 years dedicated to serving the church that he is no more justified in God's sight then the drug addicted, gay stripper who genuinely turned to Christ, doesn't usually sit too well. That message scares many Christians who feel they've paid their dues and deserve a "special" place before His throne. I even heard someone once say that in heaven the Mother Theresa's of the world will get to sit at the feet of Jesus, while the newly converted convicts will have to stand in the back. 
 Here's a bit of the comment I posted over there:
I love this post. Grace, grace and more grace. It is, I believe, the single most underrated attribute of God. What you’ve said here is so true, that we know the bible verses and how to talk up grace, but living it out with ourselves and with others is a different story.

Here’s the thing: I thought I was a grace kind of girl, until my spiritual disciplines withered up. My flaming prayer life became barely a glow of smoldering coals about to die out in a rain storm; my bible became suspect, I didn’t trust how I read it or what was in it, so I put it aside. For not months, but years. And my service in church was stripped away. “Do you love me now, God? Is that grace for real when I’m not productive, when I’m watching too much tv and letting cynicism overtake my tender heart?”

Over and over I hear a resounding Yes. “My grace is more than enough for your effed upness, whatever that is, how ever much of it there is, and for however long it may last. Your humanness cannot outrun my God-graceness.”

Grace to me is simply defined as mercy undeserved. When can I possibly ever earn or deserve mercy? If I could, then it wouldn’t be mercy anymore. That would be called a paycheck.

I just love reflecting and writing about grace. It's the most beautiful and stunning attribute I see in God. And it is one of the most debated. How gracious is God? How far does that grace extend? For how long? Past death? Into hell? Is there grace for the unrepentant? For the rebellious? These are the questions that ineveitable get raised when a dialog about God's grace is engaged.

I myself brought it up when I took one of the blogger's comments went a bit deeper into Graceland:

I want to take your post, though, one step further. I am of the perspective that the grace that the new testament teaches is not just reserved for the elite who say the prayer or have the right beliefs. I reckon that grace, or undeserved mercy, is extended even to the gay pagan stripper whether he knows it or not. The grace, or mercy, of the cross was for all humankind, not just bible thumping christians.
I don’t want to veer off into a debate about Christian reconiliationism (or universalism as some call it). I’m just wanting to highlight that if grace is undeserved mercy, and I think it is, then all of us are getting the rain of it. Buckets of it. We just probably don’t know that.

As ambassadors of Christ, we are meant to be ambassadors of the kingdom of grace and mercy. Can I hug the gay pagan stripper and say Hey, you are already loved and forgiven and getting rained with grace?

What if he doesn’t get cured from gayness to straightness? What if he keeps stripping to pay his rent or buy his lover’s meds cause he has HIV? What if he won’t give up his pagan ways (at this point at least) because he is convinced that the polytheism paganism offers is more inclusive than the monotheism of Christianity? Does grace, or undeserved mercy, find it’s way into those chambers?
I think so. Which is why I think the grace of God is the most underrated thing about God that we know. And I like to imagine that even in the timeless space of eternity that the beauty of that grace will enthrall each of us forever.

Oh my, the discussion that then ensued! Here are a few comments and questions that some of the other commentators  raised:
Pam, that’s just silly. You and I both know that if Christians really believed Grace like you described it then they couldn’t hate sinners any more. They wouldn’t have anyone to judge so that they could feel better about themselves.
{this comment cracked me up. But I think he's onto something...not ON something, but onto something!!!}

The blogger, who goes by the handle, The Reformer, wrote this in reply:
Yes, Pam grace does find it way into the darkest chambers of all people. However, my bible does tell me that Christ is the only way to eternity. If one does not believe in Him one cannot be saved. You see grace is abundant and unrestrained. Its always there for everyone at all times, but if you reject it by living in conflict with Christ, then there’s no truth in you.
I totally get this. Really I do. I just don't agree with it. Not anymore. How can grace, or mercy undeserved, be grace if it has conditions?

Someone posted about their misgivings about hell (which is where many dialogs about grace seem to veer off into, at least with me) and wrote this:
Whenever I hear Christians talk about Hell, I have a picture in my head of Nelson Muntz saying, “Ha ha! You’re going to burn forever!” Christians know that their friends and family and neighbors are going to eternal damnation and they act like they’re cool with it, just as long as they have their own ticket punched. Does that strike anyone else as being really twisted and mean?

I think he makes a good and honest point here. We Christians, if we truly do believe in hell, have been far too glib and casual about it. Hell... people, it's hell. How can I sleep at night if people I care about are destined to burn forever and ever without any hope of ever getting free from that place described as having "much gnashing of teeth?" It is absurd...and those who do not believe in eternal damnation, or eternal hell, stand in the meadows of grace and hope and wonder, "How can you think of your own flesh and blood condemned to eternal fire, yet live in peace with that horrible knowing?"
One particular poster, Jeremiah, had a lot of disagreement with me about grace. He wrote this:

I believe that the qualifications for receiving grace is being born again. Haven’t read thru your stuff, but I think when Jesus says that whoever does not believe in Jesus is condemned already, He is making a distinction between believers and unbelievers, those who love light and those who love darkness. Those who experience the Kingdom and gladly submit to it’s King, and those who do not and are not under the grace of the King.
Is there grace, or mercy for the unrepentant? Is repentance a requirement to enjoy the benefits of living in God's good grace? Is that therefore grace, or earned merit and favor?

What is Grace? Is it undeserved mercy, as I like to define it, or have I sugar-coated the gracious nature of God into a big doctrine of free love and flowery dogma?

I am a hopeful reconcilationist.

This means that I hope in the ministry of reconciliation of God to continue beyond the grave.

This means that I am hopeful that the redemption of God's love as demonstrated through the life of Christ overcomes the gates of hell.

This means that I am of the hope that the banquet table of grace and mercy is forever open to anyone.

5 comments:

co_heir said...

Pam, I'm also a hopeful reconciliationist. I believe that there will be some sort of judgment, but I hope it's the kind where the persons deeds are judged, but the person is welcomed and reconciled
because of God's grace through Christ.

Pam Hogeweide said...

In the wonderful albeit somewhat obscure book, The Golden Thread, the author points out that discipline from God is to reconcile the human soul to God. I'm with you...whatever kind of judgment may wait on the other side surely is meant to end in redemption. This widens the view of God's grace to a breathtaking vista, doesn't it?

(hope you are well. always good to hear your voice!!!)

Larry said...

Pam,I loved this discussion about grace.

Grace is extended to every human whether christian or not,it is not something that is ours ,grace belongs to GOD and is not something for Christians to be selfish with.Grace cannot be contained,it is something we as Christians are supposed to share with our brothers,sisters ,friends , enemies and neighbors.

We as humans are all under grace as long as we are alive .Grace is another chance to change our evil (wicked )ways, ie; another opportunity!

Also,there are those who will end up in Hell because they will not acknowledge CHRIST or GOD.If no one was going to Hell there would be no need for it. We as sinners (humans) are acceptable to GOD through CHRIST JESUS.This does not mean that everything we "say" and" do" is acceptable.We must forgive as we've been forgiven!Admit our {sin} to GOD through CHRIST JESUS and admit them to our brothers also(make amends ,repent).

We have this opportunity through grace.Have you ever heard of a strawberry pot or seen one?It has holes all over it,you plant strawberries in it and when they grow they come out in all directions,they cannot be contained,this is grace.
Grace contained sours!

Our hope as Christians is that everyone will be saved ,the reality is, everyone won't.Yet we still have grace,thank God. Love and God bless ,your friend Larry

Bruce said...

Beautiful writing, Pam. Some thoughts well worth careful contemplation rather than quick reaction. I'd like to add two thoughts; not debate, but thoughts to put in the mix.

First, to those who think the saints get to sit closer to God, I w...ould remind them of the parable of the lost sheep (Luke 15:3-7). It appears that the one riding on Jesus' shoulder, and the honored guest of the party, is the sinner who was barely saved.

Second, about whether we all get to experience the grace raining down upon us, I am drawn to what C.S. Lewis wrote at the end of the Last Battle. The dwarves were thrown threw the same door as the humans, but while the humans saw the edge of heaven and Aslan standing there to great them, the dwarves in their unbelief saw only the filth of a neglected barn. Aslan tries to speak to them and they hear only the wind or the buzzing of insects. Aslan lays out a feast for them and they taste only old hay and stale food.

The point is we have a freedom of choice in our lives, to see and feel and accept free grace, or to reject it. How exactly that works out in the end I leave in God's capable hands, 'cause I suck as a just judge. From my reading of the Bible there certainly does appear to be a hell that is populated with people, and this despite the clear offer of free grace and mercy to all who would accept it over their own desires.

My own two cents worth, or maybe less.

Brandon said...

I believe God's grace can and does go to the sickest and darkest places of the human heart, I for one am a living testimony to that. I never wanted anything to do with God, but through love he won my heart over, but he gave me a choice: Lif...e or Death, despair or hope. I have no right to judge anyone, because of the fact that I'm not better than anyone, however one can see the fruits of ones life, and if they are earnestly seeking the Lord. As one who is in a lot of ways newly reformed in faith, part of me has grown in yearning towards Christ, because I know I cannot be snatched from his hand. Further more, Your right, when you say that we Christians should be loosing sleep of the fact that people are disconnected from God, but as much as I labored and pleaded with a staunch atheist, its the spirit that breaks through that hardness, not me, nor anyone else but the holy spirit. Even Rob Bell, even though I think he is a tad off his rocker, he is right when admits that if God scooped every up into his kingdom, it wouldn't be love if God made people be there, that didn't want to be..